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POLL: Should Liberians living outside Liberia be allowed to Register and Vote at designated voting registeration and polling places, example, Liberian Embassies around Europe, America and Africa?
Posted by admin on Jan-13-05, 02:40 PM EST
Result after a total of 597 votes

Allow to Register but not Vote 32 votes, 5% Vote for this choice
Allow to Register & Vote 517 votes, 86% Vote for this choice
Should Not be Allowed to Register or Vote 43 votes, 7% Vote for this choice
Not Sure 5 votes, 0% Vote for this choice
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Should Liberians living outside Liberia be allowed to R... [View All] adminadmin Jan-13-05 TOP
  TLC Africa, Voters Education Ciata Victor Jan-13-05 1
  Should Liberians living outside of Liberia be allow to Masu Fahnbulleh Jan-14-05 2
     RE: Should Liberians living outside of Liberia be allow M Fulton Yancy Jan-23-05 4
  NEC says 10 Years Residency Clause Ciata Jan-18-05 3
  Should Liberians living outside Liberia be allowed to V US Liberians Feb-01-05 5
  Liberia citizen: Thomas Doe Feb-01-05 6
     RE: Liberia citizen: Noko4 Feb-02-05 7
         RE: Liberia citizen: Leon Q. Ledlum Feb-04-05 8
             RE: Liberia citizen: Noko4 Feb-05-05 9
             RE: Liberia citizen: Guest Liberian Feb-05-05 10
                 RE: Liberia citizen: Noko4 Feb-06-05 11
         RE: Liberia citizen: Emmanuel Weah Jun-15-05 14
  RIGHT TO VOTE RALPH B. CLARKE Feb-21-05 12
     RE: RIGHT TO VOTE Son of soil Mar-21-05 13

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Ciata Victor
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Jan-13-05, 03:21 PM (EST)
 
1. "TLC Africa, Voters Education"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-17-05 AT 01:31 PM (EST) by admin (admin)
 
Voters Education

Election Monitoring - Read about Election Monitoring, What it is, who supports it, how it is conducted and organizations that conducts Election monitoring - http://www.beyondintractability.org/m/election_monitoring.jsp


Identifying Election Monitoring and Observation Groups

International Organization for Migration(IOM) website, specializes in "Out-of-Country Voting" http://www.iom.int/en/what/out_of_country_voting.shtml


Important international organizations with election observation activities are the
• United Nations (UN) - http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/ead/eadhome.htm

• European Union (EU) and

• Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) - http://www.osce.org/


Other Organizations –

• The Center for Democracy – http://www.centerfordemocracy.org/elect_monitor.html

• The Carter Center - http://www.cartercenter.org/aboutus/aboutus.htm

• The Election Monitoring Center (EMC) - http://www.emc-az.org/eng/index.html

• National Democratic Institute for International Affairs http://www.ndi.org/globalp/elections/elections.asp

For more information on current election laws - "Liberia's National Election Committee (NEC)" - nationalelectionscommissionoflib@yahoo.com


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Masu Fahnbulleh
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Jan-14-05, 11:57 AM (EST)
 
2. "Should Liberians living outside of Liberia be allow to "
In response to message #0
 
   I truly believe that all Liberians living outside of our native country must be giving the opportunity to Register and Vote, despite some having gained nationality in foreign countries. We as Liberians have an obligation to honor this God- Giving- Right as citizens, in an effort to make our voices amplified the quest for democracy.

I call on all Liberians to make every effort to participate in this historic process-for by doing so, we will strengthen our commitment to ensuring that NEVER AGAIN will our country be allow to go through the tremendous difficulties, and untold human carnage that she endued for the past twenty-four years.

VOTING in a democracy is a RIGHT-for it gives Hope and Aspirations, to a people who for so long have been in despair and hopelessness. It also lightens that PASSION inside all of us to see what we are, as in the words of one of Liberia's finest, Dr. William R. Tolbert, Jr., who said, "The Liberian Youth are my Precious Jewel". For many of us, have grown of age, since hemade that famous speech. So as The Precious Jewels of Liberia, let us join in comes October 2005, and say with resounding hope that 'The Love of Liberty' is here to stay.

Add your voices to this great debate-your VOTE COUNTS.


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M Fulton Yancy
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Jan-23-05, 02:09 PM (EST)
 
4. "RE: Should Liberians living outside of Liberia be allow"
In response to message #2
 
   >How will those who have lost their right to vote in Liberia by becoming US and other Country's Citizens be barred from Registering?
No such thing as Dual Citizenship exists between Liberia and any other Country on this Earth. Either you are a Liberian or you are a foreigner.
By becomming a Citizen of another country, a Liberian is thereby disenfranchised and forfeits the right to own real estate or to vote in Liberia.


I truly believe that all Liberians living outside of our
>native country must be giving the opportunity to Register
>and Vote, despite some having gained nationality in foreign
>countries. We as Liberians have an obligation to honor this
>God- Giving- Right as citizens, in an effort to make our
>voices amplified the quest for democracy.
>
>I call on all Liberians to make every effort to participate
>in this historic process-for by doing so, we will strengthen
>our commitment to ensuring that NEVER AGAIN will our country
>be allow to go through the tremendous difficulties, and
>untold human carnage that she endued for the past
>twenty-four years.
>
>VOTING in a democracy is a RIGHT-for it gives Hope and
>Aspirations, to a people who for so long have been in
>despair and hopelessness. It also lightens that PASSION
>inside all of us to see what we are, as in the words of one
>of Liberia's finest, Dr. William R. Tolbert, Jr., who said,
>"The Liberian Youth are my Precious Jewel". For many of us,
>have grown of age, since hemade that famous speech.
>So as The Precious Jewels of Liberia, let us join in comes
>October 2005, and say with resounding hope that 'The Love of
>Liberty' is here to stay.
>
>Add your voices to this great debate-your VOTE COUNTS.


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Ciata
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Jan-18-05, 08:54 PM (EST)
 
3. "NEC says 10 Years Residency Clause"
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   If the NEC can make allowances for the Candidates who many have not lived in Liberia for the last 10 years, and allow them to participate in the General Elections, they can make allowances for the people of Liberia who have not lived in Liberia for the last 10 years and allowed them to vote.

It seems like the people who made it out to safey are being punished because they sought safety out of the country.


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US Liberians
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Feb-01-05, 04:22 AM (EST)
 
5. "Should Liberians living outside Liberia be allowed to V"
In response to message #0
 
   Because of the fighting between the criminals trying to take over the country, a larger segment of Liberia citizens, chooses not to take up with them and left the country. This mass exodus begin in 1980. There is no country, that will allow a foreign citizen to live in there country no then 10 years, before they must apply for citizenship or go home. Because the Liberia conflicts lasted about 23 years, these Liberian has no choice but to take citizenship in the country they were in. Whatever kind of government is elected, they will need all Liberian, even those who has citizenship in other country to set Liberia on the right course. Citizenship can always be change, but homeland, motherland, origin can not. This is an issue that need to be address with the present leadership, and the presidential candidates which some of them has citizenship in other countries. The NEC should not exclude any Liberian from voting, because their very existed is by way of negotiating with the very criminals that has destroy the country. The Constitution is being quote now, but when has a leader of Liberia abided the Constitution.


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Thomas Doe
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Feb-01-05, 12:21 PM (EST)
 
6. "Liberia citizen:"
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   I believe that liberians that become citizen of the U.S. Should not be allowed to vote as liberians, during Election. Let the people of Liberia vote for their learder not American citizens. Is okay to vote here in America. American citizen posting as Liberians should NOT BE ALLOWED.


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Noko4
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Feb-02-05, 04:47 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Liberia citizen:"
In response to message #6
 
   > I believe that liberians that become citizen of the U.S.
>Should not be allowed to vote as liberians, during
>Election. Let the people of Liberia vote for their learder
>not American citizens. Is okay to vote here in America.
>American citizen posting as Liberians should NOT BE ALLOWED.

Mr. Doe,
Where can I find in the CONSTITUTION of LIBERIA that says....DUAL CITIZENSHIPS are NOT ACCEPTABLE???

Noko4

Be good on your way up...you will see us on your way down.


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Leon Q. Ledlum
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Feb-04-05, 10:31 AM (EST)
 
8. "RE: Liberia citizen:"
In response to message #7
 
   >Mr. Doe,
>Where can I find in the CONSTITUTION of LIBERIA that
>says....DUAL CITIZENSHIPS are NOT ACCEPTABLE???
>
>Noko4

Look here Noko4, I really do not understand your stand on this issue. You are always asking this same question whenever the issue of dual citizen in Liberia comes up. Why don't you ask your lawyer to translate the articles on Citizenship in the 1986 Liberian Constitution to your understanding? The English language as is written in that document is to me, straight forward for anybody with a genuine high school diploma.

But let me make it simple for you: This is what is written in the Liberian Constitution of 1986, on the issue of Liberian Citizenship, and please tell this forum what you do not understand. Please focus more on Article 28. If this is still not clear to you, I recommend you see your immigration lawyer.

CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF LIBERIA (1986)

CHAPTER IV - CITIZENSHIP

CITIZENSHIP
Article 27

a)


All persons who, on the coming into force of this Constitution were lawfully citizens of Liberia shall continue to be Liberian citizens.

b)


In order to preserve, foster and maintain the positive Liberian culture, values and character, only persons who are Negroes or of Negro descent shall qualify by birth or by naturalization to be citizens of Liberia.

c)


The Legislature shall, adhering to the above standard, prescribe such other qualification criteria for the procedures by which naturalization may be obtained.


Article 28

Any person, at least one of whose parents was a citizen of Liberia at the time of the Person’s birth, shall be a citizen of Liberia; provided that any such person shall upon reaching maturity renounce any other citizenship acquired by virtue of one parent being a citizen of another country. No citizen of the Republic shall be deprived of citizenship or nationality except as provided by law; and no person shall be denied the right to change citizenship or nationality.

If you have chosen to become a US citizen, I can then see your frustration with this Article, but no amount of your writing can change that fact that you have lost your Liberian citizenship for now. Have yourself a good day.



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Noko4
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Feb-05-05, 12:07 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Liberia citizen:"
In response to message #8
 
   >>Mr. Doe,
>>Where can I find in the CONSTITUTION of LIBERIA that
>>says....DUAL CITIZENSHIPS are NOT ACCEPTABLE???
>>
>>Noko4
>
>Look here Noko4, I really do not understand your stand on
>this issue. You are always asking this same question
>whenever the issue of dual citizen in Liberia comes up. Why
>don't you ask your lawyer to translate the articles on
>Citizenship in the 1986 Liberian Constitution to your
>understanding? The English language as is written in that
>document is to me, straight forward for anybody with a
>genuine high school diploma.
>
>But let me make it simple for you: This is what is written
>in the Liberian Constitution of 1986, on the issue of
>Liberian Citizenship, and please tell this forum what you do
>not understand. Please focus more on Article 28. If this is
>still not clear to you, I recommend you see your immigration
>lawyer.
>
>CONSTITUTION OF THE REPUBLIC OF LIBERIA (1986)
>
>CHAPTER IV - CITIZENSHIP
>
>CITIZENSHIP
>Article 27
>
>a)
>
>
>All persons who, on the coming into force of this
>Constitution were lawfully citizens of Liberia shall
>continue to be Liberian citizens.
>
>b)
>
>
>In order to preserve, foster and maintain the positive
>Liberian culture, values and character, only persons who are
>Negroes or of Negro descent shall qualify by birth or by
>naturalization to be citizens of Liberia.
>
>c)
>
>
>The Legislature shall, adhering to the above standard,
>prescribe such other qualification criteria for the
>procedures by which naturalization may be obtained.
>
>
>Article 28
>
>Any person, at least one of whose parents was a citizen of
>Liberia at the time of the Person’s birth, shall be a
>citizen of Liberia; provided that any such person shall upon
>reaching maturity renounce any other citizenship acquired by
>virtue of one parent being a citizen of another country. No
>citizen of the Republic shall be deprived of citizenship or
>nationality except as provided by law; and no person shall
>be denied the right to change citizenship or nationality.
>
>
>
>If you have chosen to become a US citizen, I can then see
>your frustration with this Article, but no amount of your
>writing can change that fact that you have lost your
>Liberian citizenship for now. Have yourself a good day.
>
>
>

Leon,
Why...yes why????. Please Mr. LAWYER show me plus others where it states...LOST CITIZENSHIP ONCE YOU BECOME A CITIZEN OF ANOTHER COUNTRY???. If you cannot....then please don't. If there are laws on the books fine.....but SO FINE....ZERO!!!!. Wake up my friend.

Have a blessed day....and please don't run....let stay on this issue...cuz it seems like Weah is a citizen of France.

If he is, why was he ALLOWED to played for Lone Star??? THINK!!!

Noko4

Be good on your way up...you will see us on your way down.


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Guest Liberian
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Feb-05-05, 09:13 PM (EST)
 
10. "RE: Liberia citizen:"
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   Mr Ledlum, why do you don't want Liberians, to welcome all of it people home. Liberia is a very tiny country with a very tiny population, there is not room for , look at what has happen because of decimation. Why do you want to continue to carry it own. Take a good hard look at the state of the country today. was it worth it just to be the discriminator . As stated above "Citizenship can always be change, but homeland, motherland, origin can not." Your statement "Why don't you ask your lawyer to translate the articles on Citizenship in the 1986 Liberian Constitution to your understanding? The English language as is written in that document is to me, straight forward for anybody with a genuine high school diploma", this was uncaused for, it no secret that 80% of Liberia citizens in country are illiterate, most can't read the constitution and is not going to be able to read a ballot


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Noko4
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Feb-06-05, 08:31 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Liberia citizen:"
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   >Mr Ledlum, why do you don't want Liberians, to welcome all
>of it people home. Liberia is a very tiny country with a
>very tiny population, there is not room for , look at what
>has happen because of decimation. Why do you want to
>continue to carry it own. Take a good hard look at the state
>of the country today. was it worth it just to be the
>discriminator . As stated above "Citizenship can always be
>change, but homeland, motherland, origin can not." Your
>statement "Why don't you ask your lawyer to translate the
>articles on Citizenship in the 1986 Liberian Constitution to
>your understanding? The English language as is written in
>that document is to me, straight forward for anybody with a
>genuine high school diploma", this was uncaused for, it no
>secret that 80% of Liberia citizens in country are
>illiterate, most can't read the constitution and is not
>going to be able to read a ballot


Guest,
Our friend Leon wants us to BELIEVE what he THINKS MUST be the FACTS. But in WHITE and BLACK, we see differently.....unless the Liberia Congress has amended that ARTICLE....nothing he says or do make NONSENSE.

Noko4

Be good on your way up...you will see us on your way down.


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Emmanuel Weah
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Jun-15-05, 04:03 PM (EST)
 
14. "RE: Liberia citizen:"
In response to message #7
 
   if you become a citizen of the United State you must not be allow to vote in liberia,because you hold the citizenship of another country and the in liberia state that once you have another country citizenship you cannot vote, than why George Weah is running for president in because he is holding the citizenship for two other country.
Emmanuel


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RALPH B. CLARKE
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Feb-21-05, 05:16 PM (EST)
 
12. "RIGHT TO VOTE"
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   I THINK THAT LIBERIANS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO VOTE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AS LONG AS THEY CAN SHOW THAT THEY ORIGINALLY WERE FROM LIBERIA.


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Son of soil
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Mar-21-05, 04:34 AM (EST)
 
13. "RE: RIGHT TO VOTE"
In response to message #12
 
   Definately all Liberians around the world should be allowed to vote. Like Iraqian refugees and exiles were given the privilege so Liberians also must have these privilege.But the truth of the matter is,as everybody well knows, In our present state. Without the help of the international community,where are we going to get the fund to accomplish this huge task. Being that Liberia has no significance to them,the world powers wants to get the problem of Liberia as fast as possible solved.My point is that since the time of election is almost at hand what good are we hurting our heads about.The cards are on the table,lets best see how we can usefully make our presence an impact and a driving force towards the development of our country through the union of Liberians abroad.FOR EXAMPLE THROUGH THE ALNC ??


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